You know that famous Chris Rock sketch where he talks about the 2 kinds of Black people living in America?
You can look up the video on youtube on your own time, but the script is classic. Rock outlines the differences between “niggas” and “Black people”. Black people uphold the law, pay taxes, own their own businesses, are good husbands, fathers, mothers and wives, and take care of their children.
“…we hate black people too! Everything white people don’t like about black people, black people really don’t like about black people ,and there’s 2 sides, there’s black people and theres niggas. The niggas have got to go.You can’t have shit when you around niggas, you can’t have shit. You can’t have no big screen TV! You can have it, but you better move it in at 3 in the morning. Paint it white, hope niggas think it’s a bassinet. Can’t have shit in your house! Why?! Because niggas will break into your house. Niggas that live next door to you break into your house, come over the next day and go, “I heard you got robbed.” Nigga, you know you robbed me. You didn’t see shit ’cause you was doing shit!You can’t go see a movie, you know why? coz niggas is shooting at the screen, “This movie’s so good I gotta bust a cap in here!”You know the worst thing about niggas? Niggas always want credit for some shit they supposed to do. A nigga will brag about some shit a normal man just does. A nigga will say some shit like, “I take care of my kids.” You’re supposed to, you dumb motherfucker! What kind of ignorant shit is that? “I ain’t never been to jail!” What do you want, a cookie?! You’re not supposed to go to jail, you low-expectation having motherfucker!”
No home training, respect for self and others, totally void of good judgment or refined character. Everyone hates niggas.
Rock doesn’t just desire to point out that not all Black people are the same- he goes on to explain something critical; Black folk hate niggas just like everyone else- but for special reason- they make us all look bad.
As Black people we know that Whites (not all) and others have a difficult time seeing the diversity of our people. Stereotypes are fed through entertainment, music, video games, and news media that only show the extremes; Oprah or the welfare queen. Denzel or the drug dealing, gang banging baby daddy.
Obviously (or not) we are much more than that. But successfully establishing that reality in the minds of everyone else is as impossible as an ant pushing an elephant up an ice covered hill in a blizzard.
The case of Maurice Clemmons, the accused shooter in the Lakewood Police killings has re-highlighted the struggle to not be judge on our race, but the content of our character as individuals.
Clemmons was a career criminal who struggled with mental illness and eventually turned into a desperate man, angry that he was likely going back to prison for the rest of his life for a developing child rape charge.
He spent two full days on the run, across cities and counties, leaving many in fear and panic.
Monday turned into stop-a-Black-man day, with people getting jacked up by police because someone said they “fit” the description. Some of it is to be expected, I suppose, but knowing now that Clemmons’ own family fanned that fire with false lead to the tip line seems wickedly ironic. But it wasn’t just them. People of all races across Tacoma and Seattle looked at Black men differently post-shooting; whether aware of it or not.
Local and national conservative talk radio revealed a narrow, bigoted perspective of the suspect and Black people in general.
Callers claimed a war had been declared on police by Seattle gangs, and that the neighborhood crews were all falling in line. He cited this case and Monfort, the Tukwila man who killed a Seattle police officer last month. Monfort acted alone and didn’t remotely fit the gang member label. Clemmons was a desperate man half out of his mind, from Arkansas. The caller was wrong- but the host certainly didn’t correct him. These were not gang members, and there is no war.
Next came a woman who claimed to have ridden the bus the day before and witnessed a group of Black youth on the back of the bus “cheering” at the news that 4 officers were dead. The caller said they were gang members. How she spotted this with her naked eye, I’m not sure- but she was certain they were bad, bad bad.
The night of the shooting, as I sat outside the ME’s office waiting for the slain officers’ bodies to arrive, an older white man said to me “one of your people did it.” Such statements usually provoke multiple reactions from me all at once. On the outside, I was stoic.
On the inside I was cussing that man out.
On the inside I was cringing that he really felt that way and had no clue what that meant about him.
On the inside I was angry that a part of the situation had become the need for Black people to defend themselves for someone they don’t even know, who doesn’t represent them or act on their behalf.
By mid-afternoon Monday it was clear to law enforcement that friends and family on Clemmons had assisted him after the shooting. One friend was a getaway driver, a sister bandaged him up and brought him to Seattle. As if those weren’t bad enough, it was then reported that other friends and family had actively worked to throw police off of Clemmons’ trail by calling in false leads to the official tip line, sending law enforcement chasing their tails. Investigators expect that 7 people will face charges for their involvement.
Not 1. Not 2.
7.
With this news, ignorance prevailed. I heard a man on the radio claim that Black people didn’t believe in law enforcement at all- that we want to do away with cops and rely on the gangs to take care of us.
Yes, these general statements are outrageous, silly even, but they are evidence of deep rooted ignorance about what it means to be Black.
I often tell white people what was told to me as a child; as many Black people there are in the world are as many ways there are to be Black; translation, it’s an individual thing, not necessarily a group thing. Hearing this at an important age allowed me the courage to define myself, rather than allowing Black people around me or what media calls “Black culture” to define me. No, I define myself.
Even with the ability to define myself for myself, inside and out, I’m smart enough to know there are times when I don’t have the power to define myself, when stereotypes and ignorance win out, and all people see or hear is what they want to see or hear, what they’re used to and comfortable seeing and hearing. That’s usually referred as racist or bigoted opinions, even though those holding those opinions don’t like to admit it.
Still, this is what we are all facing today; Black men are being compared to a deranged cop killer, and Black people are looked at as questionable because so many helped this man escape- would we all do that? That’s what they want to know- and for some who already think we would, the events of the last 72 hours has them now certain we would.
We would help a man by providing medical supplies, food, transportation, and actively lie to police to throw them off the trail of a killer- that’s what we’re up against now. That doesn’t even give credit to the point that Clemmon’s and his family are “outsiders”- that’s to say- they aren’t from here, but Arkansas. They’re transplants.
A White person asked me last night “why haven’t you all come out and said something against this man and his family?”
Well, first of all, “we” as Black people are no more responsible for the Clemmons clan as all White people are responsible for David Duke. That’s just silly. Second, it’s a damn shame that people would think that it takes a public, verbal damnation to prove that we don’t condone the behavior. Third, and as noted just a few seconds ago- this isn’t a Seattle family. These are outsiders, as I and many others see it.
Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not condemning people from Arkansas- I have family from the Ark. Nor am I say we here in the PNW live in a perfect society until outsiders come and screw it up. Violence does not discriminate.
We don’t know who these people are, and even if we did, we don’t have to jump up to criticize what they did to prove that we don’t agree or are as horrified as everyone else is that this happened. We’re pissed to high heaven, not just at the murder, but the conduct of his fam afterward. That is just unacceptable. I hope they are prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law.
Nevertheless, they have become the standard by which Blacks are being judged right now, especially in the Pacific Northwest.
Take for example Clemmon’s niece, Destiny Hinton. Her home was one of four stormed and searched last night in a coordinated effort by law enforcement to search the homes of known family and friends after it was found Clemmon’s was receiving help. Hinton claims to have not seen or heard from him in over a month, but that didn’t stop the media from taking a close look at her.
In the hours before Clemmons was caught in South Seattle, KIRO TV took to twitter to share Hinton’s myspace page. What one finds is severely less than flattering. Some of it is outrageous, borderline on disgusting, depending on your tastes.
Why the media felt the need to point viewers to her myspace, well, you can figure that out yourself I would hope. There are no pictures of the suspect, there are no comments posted by her about the shooting, and again, he was never at her home. Seemingly, though related to people who would aid and abed, she has had nothing to do with this case. Yet the newsmedia wants people to see these pictures, of which there are dozens.
At 28 years old, her profile lists her as a resident of Federal Way, though clearly she lives in Renton which is where police found her. Her occupation is listed as “entertainer.” If you don’t know, that means stripper. Her myspace pictures would seem to support that. It appears from the pictures she has 3 children; 2 girls and a son.
But they support something else too. Hinton has a photo album on myspace from Halloween of last year. Here are just a few of the shots:


In case you’re having trouble differentiating the costumes here, there is a ho, the mother; a pimp, which appears to be the eldest daughter; a gangster/pimp which is her son. Fantastic. This is what a mother did for her 3 children for Halloween. Whether CPS would ever investigate such pictures is questionable, but thanks to the mainstream media putting these images out there- I have no doubt some poor concerned citizen has already made that call.
There are worse pictures of her alone on her site, but, she does enough to further stereotypes against Black women without me posting them for all to see. It’s public info (until and unless she locks down her acct), you can find them for yourself.
Let me say loud and clear, for all of those who may be confused, or hell, for those who think all Black people are the same- this woman does not represent Black women at all. She sure as hell doesn’t represent me.
I’m not even going to take issue with her being a stripper- that’s her business. You can be a stripper and love the hell out of your kids and raise them well. What I DO take issue with is 1) her poor judgment skills and 2) that people will look at this and think that all Black women would be stupid enough to do such a thing. I am not the worlds best parent and I never will be- no one is. But I don’t encourage my kids to glorify a criminal lifestyle (which isn’t the same as thug life, but we’ll start slow here) and I sure as hell don’t walk around my house looking like a stripper.
I don’t identify with or support the actions of this woman or her clan in the least- but because the majority can look at her and turn around and attempt to define us, there is a level of responsibility and obligation I/we carry like a ball and chain.
Don’t want it, can’t get rid of it.
@ Slim. I do understand what you are saying. And I know why I didn’t speak up which is I was sure I knew what the response would be- a diatribe full of insults and threats. I’m saying this based on past experiences not on some stereotype that that is how all black folks respond to whitey. My belief that they would respond that way (and I’m still sure they would have) is not based on the fact that they were black but the reality that when you see several thugs (of any race) walking down the street loudly shouting things that are obviously offensive they don’t say “sorry m’am” when it is pointed out to them.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14742737
The looming crisis in human genetics
Nov 13th 2009
From The World in 2010 print edition
By Geoffrey Miller
Some awkward news ahead
Human geneticists have reached a private crisis of conscience, and it will become public knowledge in 2010. The crisis has depressing health implications and alarming political ones. In a nutshell: the new genetics will reveal much less than hoped about how to cure disease, and much more than feared about human evolution and inequality, including genetic differences between classes, ethnicities and races.
“Further, if I walk around with the mentality that I need to fear black people or black men more than anyone else, well, that’s called internalized racism.”
WRONG. It is not correctly called “internalized racism”.
It is correctly called “FACING UP TO THE UGLY FACTS ABOUT REALITY”.
YOU gave it gave it the liberal progressive DoubleThink NewSpeak label “internalized racism”. You can try to hide it and/or deny it with fancy semantics but the FACT remains that at least 94% of all blacks killed in the USA are killed by other blacks.
Sable wrote: “Black people do not kill hundreds of Black people every day in the US.”
WRONG. At least three blacks are killed by other blacks almost every day in every state in the USA. In some cities like Chicago, Detroit, etc, well over three blacks are killed by other blacks every day on average. That equals well over a hundred a day.
I know this is hard for you to do, but please face up to the truth.
“there is no “facing up to the truth” needed on THIS side of the discussion. You seem hell bent on conquering everyone else in the discussion so that you can feel more powerful about yourself, which is not the point of the discussion at all. You’re in violation of the comment policy for posting comments under different names and fake email addresses, yet from the same computer IP address. You can review this policy in the comments policy page for clarification. Thanks for stopping by.
Black Murder in Seattle
What, the stormfront website to not racist enough for you?
Seeking out new opportunities?
Your post seems eerily similiar to the troll post that was banned on Seattle PI’s website days ago.
Still no traction resulting from your obviously painstaking research?
Sad
The fact of the matter is simple. Racist and Neo-Nazi “foot soldiers” have taken to the internet to spread as much disinformation and regurgitated anti black rhetoric as possible
Posed as citizens concerned for the well being and safety of the “community” these individuals and groups spread tired and age old “philosophies” and talking points, ad nauseum.
Their obvious hope is to feed off the emotion and fear felt by the passive or casual observer of recent events and perhaps add hate or “racist enlightenment” to the less informed psyche.
Racial theory, Arianism, Right leaning Hegelism, Seperatism, Social Darwinism, and Eugenics are just a few of the pseudo-philosphies and SHAM political arguments transparently hidden behind the backdrop of “concern for the community”
Peruse any Arab American or Immigrant related site and I’m sure “Black murder”‘s research would be repackaged to fit the Glenbeckistani approach to those groups as well (Translated from English to Spanish if the situation calls for it, of course)
To perform counter “research” and pull numbers, dates, locations, and times of criminal activity involving Seattle’s Irish, German, Swedish, Lithuanian, Russian, English, Polish, Uzbek, Kyrgyzstani, Greek and Dutch descendants would uneceisarily facilitate “stall” writers in their own psychosis.
Recorded Human history us open and available as never before.
The truth of Atrocities, and the lingering effects on ALL cultural groups in the US is readily accessible.
Googling “Seattle murders 2009″ does not a study in a culture’s propensity toward evil make.
Ironically highlighted by the fact that the gist of this discussion surrounds ‘Seattle’ a city named for a First Nations Chief that happens to located on TURTLE ISLAND (to the Natives, the portion of North America that contains the United States)
One would have to overlook Century upon century of the murder and utter humiliation of indigenous groups by Alien groups to add the bight to the stats that the poster seeks.
That being said, a return to the topic and the quality of the resposes on this blog would be turn for the better.
PS-To the lingering RACISTS, although past atrocity was mentioned here, reconciliation IS always possible when mature, evolved parties assemble, IT JUST TAKES A NUDGE
CASE in POINT:
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Interesting Reading’s comment is also a troll post blocked elsewhere
SHAM Philosophy regurgitated for a new audience 2009 style.
@Jane Doe, I would respectfully remind you that “you teach people how to treat you.”
You do NO ONE any good by NOT speaking up, and simply deciding what you COULD or WOULD say won’t have any impact. You truly do not know that until you speak up. It may NOT have an immediate effect, but every time you interact with someone, you plant a seed. It sounds corny, but it’s true.
For example,I could have not written this article because “I just knew” that racist, ignorant fools would get on and spew their rationalizations of their behaviors and beliefs. And look what happened. A few of them did just that. But that’s not ALL that happened.
Saying that to say- don’t let them change you. Let them be who THEY are, but don’t let them change YOU.
Correction Aryanism not Arianism
Blac Murder,
You are wrong again DEAR. What I did by mollywhopping you was show you and everyone else on this board that a) going about in a pissing contest is RIDICULOUS and b) your revisionist sense of history is WRONG.
You and I BOTH know that stastically blacks are nowhere NEAR killing the amount of people you “claim.”
Sable,
I knew what I was doing. I wanted to see how far the moron wanted to go and he showed his colors. You have to taunt them and make them lose it so that they can spout off more stupid crap, so they in turn discredit themselves for you.
Black murder made my job entirely too easy.
As for internalized racism, I disagree only because I and I am sure you know the statistics. They are frightening and yes I am all about self-preservation so you damned right if I see someone who looks like a thug, I remove myself from their area of operation and try to figure them out from afar. With that said, I’ve given back to the community, volunteered my time, and am changing what I can because I still believe that we can make a difference and that most people are still worthy of being fought for, regardless of race.
If I see a bunch of sketchy black teens, like white or hispanic or asian teens, I’m on guard. That’s not racism, that’s just being cautious.
Correction: Statistically
@Jane Doe
Trust and believe those two sows would’ve tried to respond to me the same way. You cannot let them dictate how you react though. Some people capitalize on the fact that they think you are afraid.
And you know what? If they feel that poorly then let them. Who the hell cares what they think anyway? They sound massively uneducated. Don’t cast your pearls unto swine. Take it from a black woman who’s been in your shoes.
In my life, I’ve heard ignorant comments about blacks from whites AND blacks. At first I would get angry, these days, I just laugh because I know that people who hold such ignorant ideas dear are nothing but a waste of space; the equivalent of walking, talking, breathing human offal. They’re pitiful really… And I take pity on them for being so damned stupid.
Like Blac Murder up top lol
Comment 41,
Thanks for that. Great post. I just wanted to see how far he was willing to go when basic numbers were brought. He proved why he’s an idiot.
This is an interesting discussion – especially about the fake names from some of those issuing vitriol – tks for that Sable. Our emotions are like a bucking horse which we let it buck while keeping our seat to understand why that happens.
Tks also to Comment 41 for this thread quote: “if anyone needs to “check” a certain subset of their prospective culture, people who consider themselves American citizens need to truly address the racist/supremacist garbage that rears its head during every “democratic” presidency in this Country”…
Seems like Power & absence of Love is behind that – & it happens when the cravers are deprived.