Comments on: Exclusive: ACLU To Release Report Critical of Handcuffing In Kent Schools http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/ Print.Pixel.Radio.Local.National.International Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:58:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: M------- http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2116 M------- Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:36:50 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2116 Of course I would want them to step up and step in - That has nothing to do with HANDCUFFING a CHILD Of course I would want them to step up and step in – That has nothing to do with HANDCUFFING a CHILD

]]> By: Safe Schools http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2098 Safe Schools Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:46:30 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2098 OC pepper spray is used not mace. When you handcuff a person, you are handcuffing them for the safety of themselves or others. If you have to use physical intervention, would you want someone wrestling with the student, use force or simply detaining them?? Handcuffs control and secure the person. They are not a use of force nor do they cause injury. You guys have to get over this handcuffing crap! Stop worrying about those protecting and maintaining a safe learning enviornment for our children!! OC pepper spray is used not mace. When you handcuff a person, you are handcuffing them for the safety of themselves or others. If you have to use physical intervention, would you want someone wrestling with the student, use force or simply detaining them?? Handcuffs control and secure the person. They are not a use of force nor do they cause injury. You guys have to get over this handcuffing crap! Stop worrying about those protecting and maintaining a safe learning enviornment for our children!!

]]> By: Schools http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2097 Schools Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:41:16 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2097 So if a student was beating another student, maybe your own kid, you wouldnt want someone to step in? When that person does step in, they have to control the scene and make it safe for everyone! So if a student was beating another student, maybe your own kid, you wouldnt want someone to step in? When that person does step in, they have to control the scene and make it safe for everyone!

]]> By: Safe Schools http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2095 Safe Schools Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:40:06 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2095 I agree some of these points are valid and take place in all schools. To automatically assume all security are aholes is just confriming your closed minded ideology or iditology in todays world! Speaking for Kent and all other school security/police staff, some of use also have a genuine heart to help america's youth. At the same time, we also have to act in situations that present a danger to the school, staff, students and public. Uneducated people about security automatically assume they are rude, disrespectful and unjust or can do nothing. Thats wrong! We are here in the school system to provide a safe and secure learning enviornment for all. Even the defiant or troubled ones that dont have the parental support system. Judgement is passed on none and equality is giving to all! I agree some of these points are valid and take place in all schools. To automatically assume all security are aholes is just confriming your closed minded ideology or iditology in todays world! Speaking for Kent and all other school security/police staff, some of use also have a genuine heart to help america's youth. At the same time, we also have to act in situations that present a danger to the school, staff, students and public. Uneducated people about security automatically assume they are rude, disrespectful and unjust or can do nothing. Thats wrong! We are here in the school system to provide a safe and secure learning enviornment for all. Even the defiant or troubled ones that dont have the parental support system. Judgement is passed on none and equality is giving to all!

]]> By: Safe Schools My Ass http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2092 Safe Schools My Ass Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:02:13 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2092 School security guards are general assholes. In kent, they are assholes on steriods. I'm tired of people blaming the youth. Try shadowing a kid for a day and see how they get rail roaded at every turn and have no rights. If an adult says a kid is bad, the rest of the adults treat that kid accordingly. It's systemic oppresion man, pay attention! Guards in kent perpetuated negative relationships with kids and they routinely esclelated situations when they were supposed to do the opposite. Then they slapped handcuffs on kids after stoking the fire and creating situations. Not to mention the arrogance on behalf of the district. I just wish some of you would stop BS'ing and justifying or rationalizing these guards behavior under the general umbrella of "you never know". That's not justification enough for what security guards in kent do to kids. It never will be. School security guards are general assholes. In kent, they are assholes on steriods. I'm tired of people blaming the youth. Try shadowing a kid for a day and see how they get rail roaded at every turn and have no rights. If an adult says a kid is bad, the rest of the adults treat that kid accordingly. It's systemic oppresion man, pay attention! Guards in kent perpetuated negative relationships with kids and they routinely esclelated situations when they were supposed to do the opposite. Then they slapped handcuffs on kids after stoking the fire and creating situations. Not to mention the arrogance on behalf of the district.
I just wish some of you would stop BS'ing and justifying or rationalizing these guards behavior under the general umbrella of "you never know". That's not justification enough for what security guards in kent do to kids. It never will be.

]]> By: Safe Schools http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2091 Safe Schools Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:55 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2091 To everyone who is automatically assuming you should never use force or hand cuff a student is not living in the real world!! Violence is in every school and security/police that work in schools are generally trained to deal with situations that happen. Do you read the paper!! Shootings, stabbings, assaults, etc... these are all every day things that happen in American schools and world wide. dont judge. in fact, you should make an appointment to come down to a kent school and job shadow security. then maybe you can talk!! To everyone who is automatically assuming you should never use force or hand cuff a student is not living in the real world!! Violence is in every school and security/police that work in schools are generally trained to deal with situations that happen. Do you read the paper!! Shootings, stabbings, assaults, etc… these are all every day things that happen in American schools and world wide. dont judge. in fact, you should make an appointment to come down to a kent school and job shadow security. then maybe you can talk!!

]]> By: M------- http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2090 M------- Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:08:15 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2090 How can we teach to non-violence with violence.... How can we teach to non-violence with violence….

]]> By: AfroPuff http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2089 AfroPuff Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:15:53 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2089 I have to disagree. The initial problem with the policy- or lack there of- was that it was used against one group of people disproportionately, and it was used as a punishment for behaviors that were not violent. That is clearly stated. I think anyone would agree that it is also a problem that the district didn't have an actual policy until last school year- for something so controversial you'd think they'd jump on the ball to protect their own butts. As for what's in the ACLU report- I really can't wait to read it. The SD is taking the position that they've done their homework and things are better. So why a report then? Is it favorable? Does the ACLU even do that? I thought they only took up "issues"? Like I said- really curious to read it. That the organization won't even get into it says, at least to me, there may be something there. I have to disagree. The initial problem with the policy- or lack there of- was that it was used against one group of people disproportionately, and it was used as a punishment for behaviors that were not violent. That is clearly stated.

I think anyone would agree that it is also a problem that the district didn't have an actual policy until last school year- for something so controversial you'd think they'd jump on the ball to protect their own butts.

As for what's in the ACLU report- I really can't wait to read it. The SD is taking the position that they've done their homework and things are better. So why a report then? Is it favorable? Does the ACLU even do that? I thought they only took up "issues"? Like I said- really curious to read it. That the organization won't even get into it says, at least to me, there may be something there.

]]> By: Devil's Advocate http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2088 Devil's Advocate Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:37:11 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2088 The article is a little vague regarding what lines have been crossed. Children are just as capable of violence and crime as adults. I think schools should be allowed to use force, especially since we are asking them to also serve as baby-sitters for kids with serious behavioral problems. The real issue is whether the guards have been properly trained to diffuse situations and use the minimal force necessary, and whether cuffs are being used as punishment. The article is a little vague regarding what lines have been crossed.

Children are just as capable of violence and crime as adults. I think schools should be allowed to use force, especially since we are asking them to also serve as baby-sitters for kids with serious behavioral problems. The real issue is whether the guards have been properly trained to diffuse situations and use the minimal force necessary, and whether cuffs are being used as punishment.

]]> By: poliTICKLING http://www.sableverity.com/exclusive-aclu-to-release-report-critical-of-handcuffing-in-kent-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2087 poliTICKLING Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:18:46 +0000 http://www.sableverity.com/?p=5932#comment-2087 I'm just shocked that not only can they handcuff kids, they can use mace. I can only see certain very rare circumstances where physical intervention would be necessary, I question whether the school security guards have the proper training to diagnose and intervene properly in those situations. I'm just shocked that not only can they handcuff kids, they can use mace. I can only see certain very rare circumstances where physical intervention would be necessary, I question whether the school security guards have the proper training to diagnose and intervene properly in those situations.

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